Super Bowl XVI, Mannings, and Tim Tebow.

The conference championship games are over and Super Bowl XVI is now set with the  New York Giants looking to defeat a familiar foe: The New England Patriots. In the public’s eye though, this game is turning into a lose-lose situation for one Peyton Manning.

On February 5, 2012 the Super Bowl will be played on Peyton’s home turf in Indianapolis. Where younger brother Eli Manning will be vying for his second Super Bowl Championship giving him one more than Peyton. On the other side of the field, Peyton’s rival Tom Brady, will be looking to solidify his 4th Super Bowl ring. A ring that was denied to him four years ago by Eli’s Giants when they gave the then undefeated Patriots their only loss of the season.

All three of these quarterbacks are looking to forge their place in NFL history with the all-time greats. Eli is looking for family bragging rights.

Let's get one thing straight - Both equally great football cops!

What I don’t understand is the notion that if Eli wins another Super Bowl title, he is automatically a better quarterback than Peyton. I know he’ll have one more Super Bowl, but c’mon, really? Peyton is a once in a generation type of player.

Let’s do a little experiment. I’ll name some QB’s and you list them in order of their greatness.

  • Tom Brady
  • Terry Bradshaw
  • Trent Dilfer
  • Dan Fouts
  • Jim Kelly
  • Brad Johnson
  • Eli Manning
  • Peyton Manning
  • Dan Marino
  • Joe Montana

If you go by strictly Super Bowl wins.. here is how the list plays out:

1 – Terry Bradshaw 4
1 – Joe Montana 4
3 – Tom Brady 3
4 – Trent Dilfer 1
4 – Brad Johnson 1
4 – Eli Manning 1
4 – Peyton Manning 1
8 – Dan Fouts 0
8 – Jim Kelly 0
8 – Dan Marino 0

Mark Rypien: Super Bowl winning QB for my Redskins.

Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson along with players like Mark Rypien should never be in a greatest quarterbacks of all-time conversation. Yes they played on Super Bowl winning teams, and yes they might have had a good year that year, but absolutely no, they are nowhere near greatness on an individual level. Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly, and Dan Marino are all Hall of Fame players. They were not only great individually, but they made other good players great also. None of them won a Super Bowl, but anyone who is knowledgeable about football and realistic when it comes to this topic can tell you that they dominated the game when they played and are deserving to be recognized as one of the all time greats.

So please, let’s get off the “if Eli Manning wins the Super Bowl he is a better quarterback than Peyton” train of thought.. it’s ridiculous. Super Bowls are defining moment in players’ careers. But the way they play, and how long they play at a high level should be why they are considered great, not solely Super Bowl wins.

The unfortunate part about this view-point (my view-point) is that it also means that if Tebowmania continues to win games, (stealing a line from former WWE Star – The Rock) IT DOESN’T MATTER if he can throw or not, I’ll have to give him the some recognition. Lucky for me though, I won’t have to break down and admit to anything for another 5 or 6 years about Tebow.

Anyway, all that aside, it is Super Bowl time! My prediction: New England Patroits win 27-24.

Advertisements

10 thoughts on “Super Bowl XVI, Mannings, and Tim Tebow.

  1. Here is my order for these 10 QB:
    Peyton Manning
    Tom Brady
    Joe Montana
    Dan Marino
    Dan Fouts
    Jim Kelly
    Eli Manning
    Terry Bradshaw

    Trent Dilfer
    Brad Johnson

    Obviously, if we were to make a comprehensive list some names are missing. Elway, Favre…

  2. I think football is so hard to make “all-time” lists for because the game has changed so much. Baseball acknowledges this much more as Roy Halladay’s CG’s total is treated with respect even if it is fewer than an average pitcher would have had in the 50’s and 60’s. If you compare passing rating for instance, Steve Young and Joe Montana are the only two of the top 15 that have been retired for more than 3 years all-time. Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub, and Chad Pennington are all above Marino, Kelly, and Bradshaw. I then looked at yards per pass attempt as a QB should be able to get yards each time he drops back: Tony Romo and Matt Schaub are all-time top 10. Brady and Manning and Montana are not. So there’s no real measurable way to compare other than that more than a pitcher, a QB is responsible for his team winning…so I rank them by total wins: Marino (155), Peyton (150), Brady (140), Montana (133), Bradshaw (121), Kelly (110), Fouts (87), Brad Johnson and Eli (76), Dilfer (62). So if the Giants win next Sunday Eli will have proven himself better than Brad Johnson and that is all.

  3. And by the way, Favre has 199 wins and Elways has 162, so they win. Rypien had 52 placing him solidly ahead of Don “Magic Man” Majkowski at 27, Hugh Millen at 7, and Heath Shuler at 8.

  4. That is why it is such a great topic for debate. There is no real way to compare each and every qb against one another.

    I feel the way I do about Peyton Manning because he is the best I have ever seen. On top of that, no one really dominated in the fashion that he has. He didn’t invent the audible, but he has taken audibles and the way offenses are ran in the NFL today to a whole new level. I think Brady has taken a page out of Peyton’s book over the past 5 years. But because he has 3 Super Bowls, and Manning only has one, I feel that Manning will always get short changed when comparing the two.

    The thing about Brady’s rings though are that he won them their defense was top’s in the league. Manning NEVER had a defense, yet he still won one. Brady hasn’t won one yet where he didn’t have a defense to lean on.

    Either way… If I had to choose between them, I would choose Manning, but neither is the wrong choice. I feel both are the in the top 2 ever. That’s says all that needs to be said.

  5. But both played post banned-bump-n-run and in a world where Wayne Chrebet could have gone across the middle unmolested instead of routinely devastated. The last 10 years have been a different game. I feel Steve Young was more dominant than either Brady or Manning during the window he got to start. He seemed to me to fit balls in much tighter windows than Brady or Manning ever had to so if you’re going on “dominance” over “sustained success” (Favre has to win sustained success) than I go Young. I mean that and SuperBowl wins aside, Manning’s teams were 9-10 in the playoffs on his watch. That’s hard to deal with when you’re picking “the best ever”.

    On another similar note, if you were told that between Luck and RG3 one of them would have a long 15 year career and make your team win the most games during that stretch but only make the Superbowl once, but the other would win 2 Super Bowls in 6 years and then retire from injuries which would you take? Wins or titles? Basically the Terrell Davis vs. LaDainian Tomlinson argument…which would you rather have? Which is more “greatness”?

    • 9-10 in the playoffs, yeah is a losing record, but 19 career post season games is nothing to sneeze at. You were an eagles fan with McNabb. The sustained success year in a year out without a title, but was a top 4 team annually. You thought McNabb got a raw deal with Philly. I would take the success over a period of time. Because it doesn’t come around that often. When you get a nucleus that can stay great for years.. That is awesome.

      LT vs TD.. I take LT. One reason. Same reason Barry Sanders is better than Emmitt Smith. He was the team. LT (on the chargers) and Barry were the heart and soul of each team they played on. TD had John Elway under center. Aka they could never stack the box repeatedly to stop TD, cause Elway would shred a defense to pieces.

      That is why, at the end of the day, Peyton is the best. He made the colts a contender single handily. He could beat teams so many different ways. Being able to overcome no defense for 10 years and win 12 games each of those years, and most of the time have zero running game either- simply amazing.

      You said about throwing into tight windows. Peyton can throw into any window. The point is that he was always smart enough to get it to the most open guy, or knew where his best opportunity to complete the pass would be.

      Favre is awesome, and I will always back Favre. But the reason A. Rodgers is getting so much love this year when compared to Favre is that he didn’t take shots into super tight windows.. Risking turnovers.

      There will never be a QB who never loses a game.. Or a QB who has 10 playoffs starts without loses… 9-10 record is knit picking.

  6. Um, no one who is not retarded would ever say Eli is better than Peyton right now. He’d have to have about four more seasons like 2011 to be in that conversation.

    Too many people like the Giants in this game – I’m unfortunately feeling a Pats blowout. Ugh.

    • I totally agree with that. This was Eli’s first huge season, and the giants are getting too much hype for their own good. Not sure about a blowout though.

  7. Peyton won a lot of games…but I think he still needs a couple more seasons to take the Longevity Greatness championship belt away from Favre. That’s why he should chance his neck and not retire. Go to a team like the Redskins, win 10 games there twice in a row and I’ll give you the title belt in my Howard Finkle voice: “And the winner and NEWWW Greatest Quarterback Ever: Peyton Manning!”. For Dominance Greatness, he didn’t have that many years he was that much better than his fellow QB’s. Steve Young stands alone. His belt is staying put.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s